this was also linked on V/contact :
Also a big thank you to Elon Musk for the shout out here :
Elon Musk: Chance we are not living in a computer simulation is ‘one in billions’
If we aren’t stuck in a Matrix-style world, then the world is about to end, the SpaceX and Tesla CEO said:
However keep reading, this is a ‘Different’ sort of ‘simulation argument.’
follow along and try to read between the lines.
VR (Virtual Reality) is getting pretty popular and has had a lot of advertisement lately.
However these ‘traditional’ VR devices are attached to the human body, realistically humans will never be ‘fully immersed’ into a ‘VR environment’ with body attachments onto our senses.
So what could the future of ‘VR’ (Virtual Reality) be evolving towards?
Well as you may or may not know there are many theoretical physicists, that already claim the conscious (or consciousness) is a separate entity to the ‘Body’.
here is one of the main stories related to that:
Has the human soul been found by science?
It is conceivable and probable that in the near future that humans will be able to fully immerse in a ‘Virtual reality’ experiences by literally moving their consciousness to other ‘Cloned’ bodies and participating in ‘Virtual holidays’ or other ‘VR’ experiences which are to all intents and purposes ‘Real’
A lot of these concepts have been covered in many different ‘Sci-fi’ movies and books one recent one was in the TV series called ‘Dark Matter’
A Glimpse of future Holidays on Dark Matter TV Series?
Also this concept was covered by ‘Science site’ Space.com :
Travel Via Clone: ‘Dark Matter’ Creator Talks SyFy’s Newest Series
The point of this theory is that humans are porting their ‘consciousness’ to another location (and body) instantly (faster than the speed of light) and having an experience in that body.
Then the memories of the experiences returned to them upon return to their original ‘body’
Of course another obvious example of this was ‘Avatar’ :
This concept by default instantly recognizes what is becoming a mathematical reality to humans.
That the ‘Consciousness’ or ‘Qsoul’ is a ‘separate’ entity to the ‘DNA physical body’
Supposing this original porting concept is achieved, it is easy to imagine (for variable reasons scientific and otherwise) why users might want to port consciousness and have no residual memories on arrival.
like for example:
If everyone was taking a ‘clone holiday’ and everyone knew everyone else was a clone sure it would be interesting but, for many variable purposes (entertainment and otherwise) it would be feasible that users would want literally no memory on arrival or even ‘pseudo’ memories or a ‘false persona’
For some people this would be the ultimate VR experience, with your persona memories returned to you on return and added to your original memories.
This was covered in the Philip K Dick novel:
‘We Can remember it For you Wholesale’
Which was later turned into the movie:
However all those scenarios involve entertainment..
However for advanced societies this technology (if realized) would solve many problems far beyond entertainment… think about it..
What about ‘Crime’ and a ‘prison system’?
What about ‘political or military prisoners of war’?
What about people that don’t kneel down to the all seeing corporate ‘galactic federation state’ and don’t pay their ‘tax’?
If an advanced society can port consciousness instantly to another body this would easily be a way to set up ‘Reformation planets’ and even research stations, advanced societies could literally ‘dump’ ‘qsouls’ (people’s consciousness) out to reformation or ‘prison’ colonies.
However with a bit more education me may now find out how they (the source society) could creatively use an interesting aspect of ‘Gravity’ and ‘Time’ …
IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT THE TIME DIFFERENTIAL ASPECT
(Keep reading it’s easy to understand, you will learn something profound)
So if you can (theoretically) port consciousness from one Human DNA container to another, that means it is a ‘quantum based effect’ and not ‘effected’ by ‘time’ in the 3D plane.
This ‘effect’ is the same as seen in the ‘Quantum entanglement’ test, where the change in the Q entangled particles is seen at ‘faster than light’ across the 3D plane. no matter the distance in the 3D plane, it could be ‘light years’
here is an inefficient video about that -:
^ This is the simplest human Video can find at the moment, the key point to remember is that the ridiculous theory that there was ‘hidden information’ was disproved and most of the resistance to the theory came about by human ‘science’ not being able to accept that something was effected and observed at ‘faster than light’ in the 3D plane.
it is, it’s a fact. and now widely / universally accepted on his planet by ‘human science.’
If you want to see a video where a guy stands there and grudgingly states that ‘human science’ admits Q states move faster than light here is that video from June 1st 2016:
but back to the point:
So in theory a ‘consciousness’ or ‘Qsoul’ can be ported at ‘faster than light’ but anything existing in the 3D universe (i.e a human body) IS effected by Time and especially in relation to Gravity.
lets explain that in plain English:
Remember the movie Interstellar ?
If you will remember there is a scene where the humans are on a planet it was a water planet near a large black hole
it was called the ‘Miller planet’ or the ‘Water Planet’
The Miller Planet
Because of the gravitational force of the large black hole when the humans were on the Miller Planet for every 1 ‘Hour’ spent on that planet a full 7 ‘years’ passed by on Earth.
Here is a general explanation of that effect:
and here is an ‘Authority figure’ you will recognize telling you that the effect is real:
So because the humans were near a large gravitational source every 1 ‘hour’ that the humans spent on the Miller planet, equated to 7 ‘years’ that had gone by on Earth.
Now Lets look at exactly the same effect but in relation to a Galaxy:
The exact same effect could be realized, the center of a Galaxy is a center of gravitational force, an thus time will be perceived to move ‘slower’ closer in towards the center of the galaxy, and out towards the edge time for the observer would ‘rush on by’
Now lets imagine that an advanced humanoid society is established much closer in to the center of the galaxy.
lets imagine for arguments sake that it is roughly at a position where the left hand bar is as explained in this next image:
So you can see that there is roughly 35 to 40 thousand light ‘years’ between the advanced humanoid society and where Earth is placed.
Lets say for arguments sake that this gravity effect means that for every 1 ‘Hour’ that rolls by at the source society 1 ‘Year’ rolls by out at the Earth location.
1 ‘Hour’ that goes by there is about 1 ‘Year’ out at the position of Earth.
In theory that source society would be able to take advantage of ‘time differentials’ or ‘gravitational time dilation’, exactly the ‘effect’ that was seen in Interstellar.
So lets look at how they could take advantage of this:
lets say for whatever reason (war or other) the advanced source society has a potentially large prison population, if it were to set up a ‘reformation colony’ much further out on the arm of the galaxy.
This society in theory could instantly port ‘Qsouls’ (consciousnesses) out to this ‘prison colony’.
They could upload and wipe their memory before porting them:
So (In theory) they would lay their ‘original body’ into a type of ‘chamber’ this would fully preserve and maintain the body for the relatively short time it will be unconscious at the source.
Then their conscious would be instantly ported to the destination much further out on the edge of the galaxy.
It is quite possible that these chambers could look similar to as follows:
BUT remember the time differential :
1 hour at the source is 1 year at the destination.
So one month in a chamber like that would equate to about 730 YEARS out at the colony.
The ‘prisoners’ would come back literally different people.
This would be a boon for a society that had a large prison population, they could port them on various sentences of 100 to 1000’s of ‘years.’ and it might be just weeks or months that go by (at the source) to have them return as literally ‘different people’
But of course you’d need to fill in the details:
I mean this would all be a long way in the future..
The details that would need to be filled in:
- You would want the colony to be far out on the edge of the Galaxy. (to take advantage of the time differential)
- You would have to make sure that at the destination or ‘Reformation colony’ that, there were ‘limited boundaries’ that is to say that the society is free to develop as it would but not to say wreak havoc on any neighbors. (that would be illegal dumping) assuming the source society even cares, if they are the ’empire’ or corporation ruling that Galaxy they may not even care.
- Basically you would have to set up a society / colony (to a point) and have people to oversee it such that the inmates couldn’t really leave easily, otherwise I’m sure as it happened in the past, if technology developed in such a way that they leave and ‘seriously’ try to conquer the nearby part of the outer galaxy.
- Perhaps it would be necessary to put a mild or strong (that one could vary) plasma field around the colony such that space travel would be a little more difficult (at least in the early development stages)
- It would also be helpful if you could control various forms of technology, and also have a social system that promotes aspects not really related to ‘leaving the planet’ (individually anyhow, in a controlled society manner that would be ok)
- basically you don’t want individuals pursuing ‘space travel’ or technology that will lead to them leaving the colony (unless they are of the ‘maturity’ to do so.)
Oh and at a point Clones would be expensive and ineffective:
What about if it was discovered that if a consciousness port ‘Went wrong’ at the end the clone Qsoul didn’t return but just stayed ‘non psychical’ (as a quantum conscious) in the local, (as they are still fully consciously aware of what to do) and then just occupied a ‘new born’ (on the colony) if and when one generally matched up.
When you think logically about that, that is the more ‘natural science’ method, why go to the trouble of forcing something when ‘nature’ will do it for you?
likewise if the inmates ‘died’ on the Colony (i.e lost their DNA container) and the sentence was not finished the inmates would need to just reoccupy a new DNA container and be ‘Born again’ until they have met the requirements of the sentence.
Once the previously agreed to requirements were met the Q portal back to the original unconscious body in the chamber would be rendered ‘Returnable’ and in the next ‘recycle’ the ‘inmate’ could return.
Upon which he/she would be returned all his/her original memories.
It is also probable that they would be returned partial or total memories of the possible 100’s of ‘years’ of ‘life’ on the reformation colony.
A ‘realist’ view might say any IP (intellectual property) of the inmates ‘lives’ on the colony may be given up to the state or corp that runs the centre who knows??
All the source society would have to do is ‘kick off’ a reformation colony, set up the society to the parameters to keep the ‘inmates/researchers’ there, then as they breed… keep sending new ported consciousness’s (Qsouls) and these people would just take the new human containers, until they have finished their sentence or holiday or whatever…..
It is completely possible (actually based on the evidence probable) that the original ‘starters’ of theses types of colonies were in most of cases clones of original scientists or original inmates.
One Common Ancestor Behind Blue Eyes
The Return process would (in theory) be based on ‘encryption’ where by once the portal to the original source re-opens the person can go back, this might be based on a number of varying (pre-agreed to) vectors. (and not just based on Time)
The only thing that would be unusual with this theory is as the colony advanced and older religious myths died out, how would the ‘managers’ explain the significant lack of contact with anyone else?
I mean after a point surely the inmates / researchers would start to study these concepts of Quantum mechanics and start to work it all out?